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Post by Carrie on Aug 21, 2009 17:22:37 GMT -6
well i mean they could contract sexually transmitted diseases! or cancer or haha the swine flu! hmmm maybe the person who started this thread can make a chapter in her book about that. but then it would just be filled with questions.
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Post by stevenro on Aug 22, 2009 2:35:05 GMT -6
and who sad is bad to question? ok lets say they could contract sexualy transmitted diseases and what? the one dies big deal..
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Post by Jen Depsycho on Aug 22, 2009 8:42:21 GMT -6
Hi I'm new here (thanks to Spirit Child for referring me. Glad to mee y'all ), but one of my fortes is vampires. I LOVE Vampire origins and stories (Except Twilight, just to make this clear. no offense to the fans out there..), so thought I'd make my first post here. Sooo it seems this post got a little off topic perhaps, as I'm seeing talk of UFO's in recent pages as I skim through, but I'll throw in my two cents anyway. If this stuff has already been discussed, my apologies. Of all the novels I've read (No, this does NOT include Twilight, FYI. I don't consider those REAL vampires.), a vampire has two enemies: Sunlight and holy symbols/artifacts. For the most part I agree with this. Vamps are creatures of the night, cursed to never see the light of day or pray to God again; basically they are creatures of d**nation, as the origin goes. So these make the most sense. Though I think if a vamp were strong enough, they may gain enough power to sustain sunlight, in rare cases. Some cases also say vampires cannot touch silver, but I have to disagree with that, that's more commonly a werewolf's weakness. If it's BLESSED silver, that's another case. Another popular belief is that they don't have reflections, but I also disagree with this, I think they can CHOOSE to hide themselves from mirrors so they can't be detected, but come on. Vampires are solid beings, so logically, they CAN have a reflection. I never believed that vampires couldn't cross streams or that garlic will stop them. A little water couldn't possibly stop a powerful vampire if you ask me. As for garlic, I always thought the reason behind it being a vampire repelent was simply for the stench. Vampires are believed to have heightened senses that put a dog's nose to shame, so something like garlic or even onions, bell peppers... anything particularly potent would be annoying to a vamp, but I doubt it'd do any REAL damage. Decapitation. Yeah. Instant death. That's all I can say. Lastly; stakes. Stakes, stakes, stakes. Mostly wooden, but... nah, I don't believe it has to be a wooden stake. The heart of the vampire is said to be its center of power, so a puncture wound to the heart will do serious damage, if not kill it. But it doesn't HAVE to be a wooden stake, as some believe. I think even a simple sword will do the trick. Note: Of course in the case of Bram Stoker's 'Dracula', Dracula was first staked THEN decapitated to boot, so this does question if a vampire can DIE from a stake or if it just weakens them greatly. I personally think it depends on the level of vampire. A weak vamp would die, where a strong one would just be brought to his knees basically. That's just my outlook on it. As for powers I believe they have, I'll just break it down into a list: Sapeshifting Summoning Familiars Enhanced physical abilities (strength, senses, etc.) Teleportation Telepathy Telekinesis Melt to shadows (another form of shapeshifiting really) Hypnotism/Charm/General Mind Control Create Illusions Immunity to human ailments (diseases) Open Portals....? (It's said in some cases they can open a portal to the afterlife if they so desired, but I'm still not sure about this one. It seems more like a demon's thing, not vampire. :\) That's just the gist of my opinions on vampires' powers and weaknesses. Sorry if this post is a little long for your tastes.
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Post by ashley! on Aug 22, 2009 10:03:55 GMT -6
ok i just have one question. why cant they open portal?? technically you can call them demons because they are creatures forsaken by GOD. so are demons. the only difference is vampires dont have to deal with satan/ devil/ whatever you want to call him. idk just a thought.
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Post by katybear21 on Aug 24, 2009 0:53:10 GMT -6
Well considering the legends about vampires (I do apologize about the whole area 51 thing, but they would honestly test on anything and everything, literally) and what not, they are a creature wrapped in mystery.
But consider this as a form of vampirism:
A person you know keeps coming to you and after being around them a while, you feel drained energetically, you can't focus, and you can't for some reason keep a train of thought. That my friends is called a psychic vampire, or an energy vampire. So, in a way they do exist. I know a few, personally. Its called my older brothers! Anytime they come around, after they leave, I can't do anything. I feel as if the life had been sucked out of me.
Here's a better example. Somebody comes up to you, and they look down, or droopy. And they hang around you long enough to boost them. Then when they do leave, they look happier, perkier, and you feel like total and complete crap. There's a better example for you.
So you can't say that vampires don't exist, because they do. It might not be the blood sucking romantic kind, but it is a form of vampire. I only remembered this because I was talking to one of my male friends, and just by talking to him wore me out.
Oh and they might not know that they are psychic vampires. I know he doesn't because well, he doesn't believe in this stuff.
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Post by Carrie on Aug 24, 2009 0:58:34 GMT -6
Thats a pretty cool explanation. Haha ya I have a friend that is sooo hyper that jus looking at her makes me exhausted!!
Stevenfo- well what if that vampire didn't kno and started to suck more humans blood and they had the same disease! Then a bigger pandic than the swine flu happens!! What then?? And don't say so? They die. Cuz that be an obvious and stupid answer.
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Post by Carrie on Aug 24, 2009 0:59:26 GMT -6
Ps sorry! I Ment to spell stevenro not stevenfo. I type really fast on my iPod sometimes.
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Post by stevenro on Aug 24, 2009 12:59:15 GMT -6
Well considering the legends about vampires (I do apologize about the whole area 51 thing, but they would honestly test on anything and everything, literally) and what not, they are a creature wrapped in mystery. But consider this as a form of vampirism: A person you know keeps coming to you and after being around them a while, you feel drained energetically, you can't focus, and you can't for some reason keep a train of thought. That my friends is called a psychic vampire, or an energy vampire. So, in a way they do exist. I know a few, personally. Its called my older brothers! Anytime they come around, after they leave, I can't do anything. I feel as if the life had been sucked out of me. Here's a better example. Somebody comes up to you, and they look down, or droopy. And they hang around you long enough to boost them. Then when they do leave, they look happier, perkier, and you feel like total and complete crap. There's a better example for you. So you can't say that vampires don't exist, because they do. It might not be the blood sucking romantic kind, but it is a form of vampire. I only remembered this because I was talking to one of my male friends, and just by talking to him wore me out. Oh and they might not know that they are psychic vampires. I know he doesn't because well, he doesn't believe in this stuff. Yeah I know that thing and a lot of people aren't aware they have that. In my region thats called ''deocheat'' and it's sayd that you can recover real quick.Here's what you have to do: Put water in a glass, it doesn't have to be to big. Take a few matches burn them don't let it burn to much just ignite it and trow them in the water. Usually 5-6 matches should do the trick it depends of how big the glass is. Take a match and make crosses in the water(seriously I don't think its necesary but some people do so). And then drink the water(without the matches of course). And the effect vanishes. Worked at me and a lot of other people.
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Post by katybear21 on Aug 24, 2009 13:05:22 GMT -6
Yea, my friend told me about that. Personally I just let it run its course, and find things to energize me.
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Post by stevenro on Aug 24, 2009 13:06:35 GMT -6
Ow and Carrie, in my opinion vampires don't just suck the blood, I'd rather expect them to kill the victim afterwards. Why? The victim could afterwards could aware other people of the exstence of a vampire in the neighbourhood, or even make a portret of him/she and that would put in danger a vampires existence. So why not simpler kill the victim drink his blood, and that person simply goes disapearing. I told you I don't see the vampires like some stupid creatures that can make I don't know what magic and bulls**t. I rather see it like a disease. And all are some kind of sideefects: light skin(thats why sun can hurt them badly), thirst of blood, long tooths, etc. As I said watch the movie : The Hamiltons, my conception about them is something like in that movie. Other questions?
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Post by katybear21 on Aug 25, 2009 11:48:24 GMT -6
Sorry Depsycho, didn't see your post there.....I swear I need to get some glasses or something...lol...anyways. But yes, Depsycho made some very good points!
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Post by Jen Depsycho on Aug 25, 2009 17:09:50 GMT -6
ok i just have one question. why cant they open portal?? technically you can call them demons because they are creatures forsaken by GOD. so are demons. the only difference is vampires dont have to deal with satan/ devil/ whatever you want to call him. idk just a thought. Well, I always thought that openning portals was questionable because, even though they're LIKE demons, Vampires aren't full-fledged demons, so some qualities set demons and vamps apart. I think openning portals is more of a pure demon's thing than a vampire's.. Not too many novels mention vampires having this ability anyway, so it's questionable, but I think openning portals, if it IS possible for a vampire, is restricted to the more powerful Class A vampires.
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Post by ashley! on Aug 31, 2009 19:07:14 GMT -6
Ow and Carrie, in my opinion vampires don't just suck the blood, I'd rather expect them to kill the victim afterwards. Why? The victim could afterwards could aware other people of the exstence of a vampire in the neighbourhood, or even make a portret of him/she and that would put in danger a vampires existence. So why not simpler kill the victim drink his blood, and that person simply goes disapearing. I told you I don't see the vampires like some stupid creatures that can make I don't know what magic and bulls**t. I rather see it like a disease. And all are some kind of sideefects: light skin(thats why sun can hurt them badly), thirst of blood, long tooths, etc. As I said watch the movie : The Hamiltons, my conception about them is something like in that movie. Other questions? well lets just say that someone is bitten by a vampire and the vampire doesnt kill them and they go tell someone. do you really think someone is going to believe them?? nowadays they will just blow them off because most people dont believe in those kind of things. or if they keep on insisting and they show them the marks they will turn them into a psycho ward. you know what im saying.
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Post by aldrea18 on Sept 10, 2009 15:38:23 GMT -6
lol your friends are gonna laugh at me? *gasp - looking around the corner at your friends laughing * OMG What am i gonna do? should i run??? People are laughing what am i going to do? should i tell your teacher? Next you'll meet me after school on the playground....OMG hahahahaha.... How high school, youngster. man, OMG now that's too funny!!!! ;D thanks for the entertainment....sweetie...hahaha;D you're friends are laughing at me oooooooh im so scared*snickering* that's a good one.... alright that was fun im gonna leave you alone now...good luck, sweetie! ;D k, one more time. only TONY is allowed 2 call me youngster, just like only he is allowed to call me the good sister; sister mary; or madonna. only my 'rents and dilloon are allowed to call me sweetie, so just lay off that. 3rd, high school, yes, but hey, i don't care. your high school years were probly ur good years. now ur just another middle class nobody, the kind of person i laugh at. thanks for shutting up!
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Post by greg on Sept 12, 2009 17:58:06 GMT -6
Vampire myths? So are you trying to find out what people today think about vampires?
The vampire figure as we know it is a product of gothic fiction, the characters of Varney and Dracula kicking it off. (Same with werewolves, such as being invulnerable except to silver.) Pre-gothic folklore was considerably less sexy-- vampires were bloated corpses, and stinky, and didn't necessarily physically leave the grave. Good sources are the books by Montague Summers, "The Vampire: His Kith and Kin", and "The Vampire in Europe". He was around early enough to have done primary research on what you might call untainted folklore.
Another, more modern, angle is medical case studies. The book "Vampires, Werewolves, & Demons: Twentieth century reports in the psychiatric literature" by Richard Noll is one source. And since werewolves are a related subject, you might as well throw in something like "A Lycanthropy Reader" by Otten. There's a few similar titles running around, they should have references to the primary literature that you can follow up as it seems appropriate.
And a word of defense for Vlad is that in his time the Turks were continually trying to invade Eastern Europe. Vlad had a hostile empire on his border and did what he could to deter them. To modern eyes his forest of impaled invaders might seem astonishingly cruel, but it really wasn't that extremely different from what the Turks and Crusaders were doing to each other. War was considerably less civilized then than it is today. (And I don't want any guff like "We're as bad now as we ever were." Read some history books.)
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