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Post by BHPI Mark on Dec 15, 2009 16:49:54 GMT -6
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Post by fbnstephen on Dec 16, 2009 15:49:51 GMT -6
My first thought is that someone had just walked across the floor above, sending the wire into motion - though, without audio and some more lead-time on the video, that is just a guess.
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Post by carol on Dec 16, 2009 17:00:26 GMT -6
Well Unclebuck,
I'm finally communicating with you. Been reading all your posts...very interesting. Wish I could get out to South Dakota...would definitely check out the Bullock Hotel in Deadwood and a few dozen more places.
Anyway, that was a interesting bit of video. If there was no wind in the area and no living person created the motion, then what else could it be but paranormal activity? If you get some time, check out the 4 videos from the Alchemist Theatre here in Milwaukee on You Tube. Did an investigation of that place. When the group I was with was talking to spirits in the small theatre, a child's spirit went through me and it was a blast of ice cold air. Had I not been holding onto the back of a seat, I would have fallen.
You ever encounter that kind of phenonmena? Please post more pix!
Thank you,
Carol
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Post by BHPI Mark on Dec 16, 2009 18:05:24 GMT -6
Just to give you all a little more information on this piece of video. This footage is a montage of three separate videos where we got movement on the wires. The video is taken using an IR game camera so there is no sound and when movement happens this triggers the video to begin taping. Unfortunately, you do not see anything prior to the capture.
What we did to debunk this video:
We noted during this investigation there was no wind and no drafts. We went back to the location and had our investigators walk normally, stomp, and yes even jump to see if we could get those wires to move. These efforts were negative and we were not able to get the wires to move at all.
To let everyone know, the wires are actually closer to the camera. Where you see the investigators walking does look right next to them but they were not. There is approximately 4'-5' distance. We walked back and forth by the wires to see if our passage would make the wires move, it did not. We actually grabbed the wires and had to manually move them to get anything remotely similar, in the video no investigator touched these wires. We even set up the game camera to try to have one of our investigators jump from a hiding place move the wires and jump out of the way before the camera started...we could not move fast enough, the camera caught us every time.
What is interesting about these wires is the fact that if you moved one, the others would move significantly, which you do not see on the video. It would seem that the wires just begin to move on their own.
On our first investigation at this residence two of our investigators were in the basement getting baseline EMF readings and taking photos when a metal tray was pushed off of a shelf by something or someone. They had before and after photos, but never captured the metal tray moving. They were not close to the tray as it was on the other side of the basement.
We are still in the process of looking for alternate explanations, but we have not been able to recreate the wires moving using explainable means. It just could be paranormal in nature given the claims of activity that have taken place in the home.
Thank you fbnstephen and carol for your feedback. We are truly looking for answers and any suggestions are appreciated. Carol, Deadwood is definitely a very interesting place. Our group has investigated the brothels located above the Lucky Nugget right across the street from the Bullock. We obtained some very interesting and compelling evidence including a video of a shadow person, but the video is very dark, it is up on our website link to youtube. We would love to get into the Bullock to check it out but it seems like they are always busy. Maybe we can do something there this winter.
I will be sure to check out your video thank you.
Mark
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Post by fbnstephen on Dec 17, 2009 16:58:11 GMT -6
thanks for the extra context on the video, the scene is more complete for me now. (Though I really could use that audio - maybe you can sync a stationary audio recorder by the game camera next time.)  As your team has done the due dilligence on the 'debunking' side, I really can't discount it as evidence, but the nature of the item being moved makes it difficult for me to call a slam dunk piece of evidence either. The very thing that makes these pieces of wire a good canidate for object manipulation (The lightweight and awkward nature of the wire.) makes it an easy target for people who are knee-jerk skeptics. If this were to belong to an investigation from my team, I suspect that after much debate we would need to mark it as a 'video of interest' and look into scheduling a return trip. |
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Post by BHPI Mark on Dec 17, 2009 18:16:15 GMT -6
thanks for the extra context on the video, the scene is more complete for me now. (Though I really could use that audio - maybe you can sync a stationary audio recorder by the game camera next time.) As your team has done the due dilligence on the 'debunking' side, I really can't discount it as evidence, but the nature of the item being moved makes it difficult for me to call a slam dunk piece of evidence either. The very thing that makes these pieces of wire a good canidate for object manipulation (The lightweight and awkward nature of the wire.) makes it an easy target for people who are knee-jerk skeptics. If this were to belong to an investigation from my team, I suspect that after much debate we would need to mark it as a 'video of interest' and look into scheduling a return trip. I appreciate your input and suggestions. We do place digital recorders with our DVR stationary IR cameras unfortunately, no one thought to put one with the game camera. We did have investigators with digital recorders in the basement during these captures, but nothing of any significance was uncovered. Trust me...there was plenty of debate on this video and we think there is a possibility of paranormal activity. This is based on our efforts at debunking this particular piece of evidence. But I can tell you the debate was lively. We do have additional investigations planned for this location. This is not solved by a long shot. I think it important to get the evidence out there for peer review. This not only ensures proper procedures were followed in collecting evidence, but also builds a groups integrity. |
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Post by fbnstephen on Dec 18, 2009 16:02:12 GMT -6
I will definitely be watching for updates on this - pronounced movement like this certainly doesn't come along every investigation.
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Post by greg on Dec 29, 2009 12:54:07 GMT -6
Truck or train passing by? A temblor? Blasting at a mine? Low frequency ground vibrations might affect the wires differently than someone near them jumping up and down. It might be useful to have a geophone or something that can record that independently. Or else just make a point of watching the wires when you know a truck is driving by, call the USGS about ground movements, etc. Can you build a screen to rule out air currents more definitively-- sticks and plastic wrap ought to do well enough.
Moving on to the non-null hypothesis, does it make a difference what material the wires are made out of, length, orientation, etc.? Does cotton string vibrate in the same way? If you set up wires throughout the area, do some vibrate and others not? Some folks have associated ghosts with electromagnetic phenomena (I couldn't say how solid their case is), and metal wires conduct. Do you get anything on a field strength meter when the wires vibrate? If it is electromagnetic, electromagnetic waves have polarity. It would be interesting to establish a polarity of paranormal phenomena.
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Post by BHPI Mark on Dec 30, 2009 10:20:09 GMT -6
Truck or train passing by? A temblor? Blasting at a mine? Low frequency ground vibrations might affect the wires differently than someone near them jumping up and down. It might be useful to have a geophone or something that can record that independently. Or else just make a point of watching the wires when you know a truck is driving by, call the USGS about ground movements, etc. Can you build a screen to rule out air currents more definitively-- sticks and plastic wrap ought to do well enough. Moving on to the non-null hypothesis, does it make a difference what material the wires are made out of, length, orientation, etc.? Does cotton string vibrate in the same way? If you set up wires throughout the area, do some vibrate and others not? Some folks have associated ghosts with electromagnetic phenomena (I couldn't say how solid their case is), and metal wires conduct. Do you get anything on a field strength meter when the wires vibrate? If it is electromagnetic, electromagnetic waves have polarity. It would be interesting to establish a polarity of paranormal phenomena. We covered all the bases on this. I even checked the USGS to see if we had any seismic activity and we did not. The location is urban and located in a residential area and is not located around any truck routes or interstates. There were no large trucks or for that fact any traffic passing by during this time the wire movement was captured. There was no power in the home at the time so the wires were not active. We also debunked someone walking upstairs. We checked to see if opening and closing the basement door would cause the movement and it did not. There was no blasting going on in the area. I can say we are pretty much as stumped by this video as everyone else. It is no doubt an interesting find and as someone here said it is something that is not captured all that often. If anyone else has any ideas on debunking this let me know, so far we have pretty much run out of ideas on how to recreate this movement. |
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