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Post by Jason Hawes on Nov 7, 2009 16:15:34 GMT -6
I had just seen an episode of a Discovery Channel show called Ghost Lab and they had interesting evidence for the success rate of provoking. It turns out when we exert energy in the form of anger or fear, that energy is released into the surrounding area. For instance, when we provoke spirits, we often exert anger and harsh language to try to get the spirit to respond. When this anger is released, the paranormal activity of an area sometimes may significantly increase due to the spirit literally using the energy you release in your anger to fuel its own emotions and responses. It turns out provoking can very much be more than yelling at something. On this particular episode of Ghost Lab, they tested this technique and it turns out they got an EVP appearing to say "hate," as soon as one of the investigators started to get angry. This could be evidence that provoking is in fact a useful tool in certain situations to get a spirit to communicate, if they do. Keep in mind that ghosts have feelings and emotions, while they may not have a body. Assess the situation and then decide to proceed to provoking if the situation allows it.
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Post by Carrie on Nov 8, 2009 22:40:58 GMT -6
actually spirits dont have feelings and emotions. thats why when someone feels angry, depressed, sad anything negative they feed off of it because those are strong feelings and they crave to feel human again. yes they have feelings and emotions but only to an extent. usually spirits attach themselves to someone depressed or sad or anything with negative emotions, and they feed off of that. it makes them strong. or atleast thats what i've read.
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Post by Jason Hawes on Nov 9, 2009 15:09:43 GMT -6
Scientifically, it seems to make sense and they seem to have sufficient proof with a relation between negative or powerful energy exerted by something, sometimes not even animate, and spirits using that said energy to manifest, attach to a person or object, and maintain the strength to remain here.
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Post by BHPI Mark on Nov 12, 2009 18:55:35 GMT -6
This is a fascinating subject and one that could help explain possible paranormal activity. Scientifically, you can not destroy energy it just takes on another form, but it is still energy. This is why some theorize that when a person dies, their life energy takes on another form.
I don't really think it matters if you use negative or positive energy to get something to manifest, if you put enough energy into the atmosphere you will get something to pop. For instance, we all know that high EMF can cause hallucinations and feelings of being watched, Therefore, this is the manifestation of a form of energy. This energy is acting upon your personal force or energy and causes a reaction.
What is interesting is the fact that on one of our investigations we found that when we were quiet and just sitting around not talking, we get no activity that we can document. When we started to ask questions and were walking around talking, we would get a significant amount of EVP's. The obvious suggestion I am making is the fact that the more energy you put into your investigation, the more activity you might document. This is by no means a fact, but it is interesting none the less, and requires further study.
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Post by Carrie on Nov 13, 2009 2:03:29 GMT -6
I see what u mean unclebuck.
But I don't think provoking a spirit is generally a good idea. I would never provok someone so why should I provok a spirit. U kno?
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Post by BHPI Mark on Nov 13, 2009 11:06:17 GMT -6
I guess my reply only discussed energy and forgot that provoking was the main topic, my bad.
I am torn on this subject. First, I think provoking should be in our bag of tools as invetigators of the paranormal, but I think it should be used sparingly and with caution. I do not believe in those who resort to provocation as the only way to obtain results. There are other methods one can use to investigate that have been proven effective.
When I investigate, I like to go in and introduce myself and then begin asking open ended questions. Those are questions that require more than a simple yes, no answer. If the information I obtain from the client that they have had negative experiences, I might get a little forceful in my questioning. I don't go around yelling and challenging. First, you might not like the outcome and second, it is just not professional.
What is important is you are going into someone's home or business and the client should be informed at every stage of the investigation. If you get to a point in your investigation where some provoking might be appropriate, your client should be aware.
I have heard that some claim provoking can bring forth unwanted spirits that are worse than the ones you are investigating, I am not convinced of this (remember I'm a skeptic), but what if that is the case. I would not want to cause more grief for the client than they are already under.
Another quick point. There are people in life that are not very nice. If they want to cause you grief or harm you are going to stand up to them. It is said that not very nice people who die are going to be the same in death; not very nice spirits. Standing up to not very nice spirits is a form of provoking and I think it is appropriate, however it should only be done with due care and caution.
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Post by Jason Hawes on Nov 14, 2009 7:59:43 GMT -6
In my opinion, if you want to provoke, make sure what kind of spirit you are dealing with....
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Post by BHPI Mark on Nov 14, 2009 11:55:53 GMT -6
In my opinion, if you want to provoke, make sure what kind of spirit you are dealing with.... OK Jason fair enough. Tell me how you make sure what kind of spirit you are dealing with? |
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Post by Nikki on Nov 14, 2009 18:16:04 GMT -6
actually spirits dont have feelings and emotions. thats why when someone feels angry, depressed, sad anything negative they feed off of it because those are strong feelings and they crave to feel human again. yes they have feelings and emotions but only to an extent. usually spirits attach themselves to someone depressed or sad or anything with negative emotions, and they feed off of that. it makes them strong. or atleast thats what i've read. Sorry i would have to strongly disagree with what you are saying. Spirits and demons have a strong sense of emotion usually dispare and anger. other whys you wouldn't be able to provoke them in the first place. And to another point my experiance in the paranomral has turned up the fact that spirits have mutliple emotions and sometimes don't even relieze they are dead. |
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Post by Nikki on Nov 14, 2009 18:17:29 GMT -6
In my opinion, if you want to provoke, make sure what kind of spirit you are dealing with.... OK Jason fair enough. Tell me how you make sure what kind of spirit you are dealing with? You can usually tell by using a ouija board. If the spirit refuses to give a name it is usually a demon. If it does give a name you look into it's past history with people who have run across it to see if it is a poltergiest. |
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Post by Carrie on Nov 14, 2009 18:25:09 GMT -6
actually spirits dont have feelings and emotions. thats why when someone feels angry, depressed, sad anything negative they feed off of it because those are strong feelings and they crave to feel human again. yes they have feelings and emotions but only to an extent. usually spirits attach themselves to someone depressed or sad or anything with negative emotions, and they feed off of that. it makes them strong. or atleast thats what i've read. Sorry i would have to strongly disagree with what you are saying. Spirits and demons have a strong sense of emotion usually dispare and anger. other whys you wouldn't be able to provoke them in the first place. And to another point my experiance in the paranomral has turned up the fact that spirits have mutliple emotions and sometimes don't even relieze they are dead. aha i was typing fast. but i ment they dont generally have the same emotions as do humans. they feel it differently. |
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Post by Nikki on Nov 14, 2009 18:26:35 GMT -6
Oh... i see what you mean. that is true in most cases but not all. lol.
Like i said some ghosts don't even know they are dead. I've been in ouija board sections with a ghost and asked how they died. and they would say i never died crazy.
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Post by Carrie on Nov 14, 2009 18:33:10 GMT -6
lol yea sometimes it comes to them as a shock, hey when you end a session do u like do something special (er lik say a prayer or something) so they wont stay near you or like attach themselves to you?
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Post by Nikki on Nov 14, 2009 18:35:40 GMT -6
Yeah it's best not to tell them tough.
Kinda I sprinkle a little holy water around.
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Post by Carrie on Nov 14, 2009 18:41:59 GMT -6
but u dont say anything?
because i've been thinking about making and using an ouija board again. but this time 1 i dont wanna get caught by my parents and 2 i can't afford to attract anything lik uber evil. i mean its practically impossible not to but still i'll try whatever for it not to happen.
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